C4D serial digits not unique?



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    On 18/03/2010 at 22:20, xxxxxxxx wrote:

    My opinion is there are 3 kind of people, not only black and white.

    1. People who will always buy a plugin, not pirate.
    2. People who will always search and wait the pirated version, never buy. (for x reason)
    3. People that are in the middle situation, if they like the plugin and they can they'll buy it, but if they first found it for "free" then they'll just use that. If they don't find the cracked version first in google, then they'll consider buying it after some time that the application doesnt appear and if they can they will. (Im talking about plugins, etc, not about 50000 euros applications, in that case this people are part of the point 2)

    So, my opinion is: We shall still focus on a good protection/register system so we DELAY (a little at least)  a full version to be found, if our plugin becomes so popular :P

    Just my feeling, i never did a stadistic about this, maybe im totally wrong and it really is black and white :P



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    On 19/03/2010 at 00:44, xxxxxxxx wrote:

    Nobody denies there are these type of people. It´s about how many do what.

    I cannot say anything about the "plugin bought or pirated plugin downloaded" situation as I cannot know which of my customers does it which way. I can only make a probability assumption from customers using a probable (or definite) pirated C4D version and then buy my plugin.

    And my statistic from the last 10 years tells me that the percentage of warez users who bought my plugins is less then 0.1%. All other customers have unique and plausible c4d serials. Therefore I must assume, and according to statistics probability rules one can be quite sure, all other warez users rather download my plugin than buying it.

    I agree and am sure there are variations according to popularity, price and size of the plugin but I can of course only judge this from my own plugins (though I had small and big ones over the years but well, everyone may have their own statistics).



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    On 19/03/2010 at 01:58, xxxxxxxx wrote:

    Originally posted by xxxxxxxx

    I can only make a probability assumption from customers using a probable (or definite) pirated C4D version and then buy my plugin.And my statistic from the last 10 years tells me that the percentage of warez users who bought my plugins is less then 0.1%. All other customers have unique and plausible c4d serials. Therefore I must assume, and according to statistics probability rules one can be quite sure, all other warez users rather download my plugin than buying it.

    I think that's a very useful statistic and certainly supports my own feelings about this. The only question which needs to be answered is whether people who own a legit copy of C4D will go on to download cracked versions of plugins. I think that's highly unlikely (and to suggest otherwise, by introducing harsher and harsher protection schemes) is likely to alienate honest customers. Just look at the complaints over Microsoft's Windows 'Genuine Advantage' program, for example. Those people who run pirate C4D copies will almost never buy a legit plugin license. So really, vast numbers of sales are not being lost to pirates because such people would never have paid in the first place. Which means that the only point of any protection scheme is to ensure that there is some return for all the effort put in, and so that purchasers know that those who don't purchase don't get to use the plugin.

    I just think we should not worry too much about this issue. Time spent on ever more elaborate protection schemes, which are unlikely to work anyway, is time spent on not developing the actual plugin.



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    On 19/03/2010 at 02:52, xxxxxxxx wrote:

    yep, I agree.



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    On 19/03/2010 at 03:25, xxxxxxxx wrote:

    ditto..  Well said!

    ~Shawn



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    On 19/03/2010 at 07:00, xxxxxxxx wrote:

    Originally posted by xxxxxxxx

    No matter if you give out that serial or not (of course I don´t encourage you giving it out, don´t get that wrong) the ones that would use it will not pay for your plugin anyway. It doesn´t matter if you give it out or not.

    Well, it does matter: Certainly you are right in that the loss in direct sales is insignificant.

    However, pirates compete with your customers, reducing the payoff your solution has for potential customers.
    So if your plugin set is available for "free" aka as "stolen", your customers have to compete to some of those people.

    Kabe



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    On 19/03/2010 at 07:26, xxxxxxxx wrote:

    Originally posted by xxxxxxxx

    Well, it does matter: Certainly you are right in that the loss in direct sales is insignificant.

    However, pirates compete with your customers, reducing the payoff your solution has for potential customers.
    So if your plugin set is available for "free" aka as "stolen", your customers have to compete to some of those people.

    Well, that is an unfair argument.

    In that case I´d need to blame MAXON too for not making Cinema 4D cracksafe as all those warez people can therefore also use my plugin with a cracked c4d or even worse they can all take away work from official customers and compete with all of us. I doubt this is the right way to see this, cause then we can keep this on and on and MAXON could blame windows for not being crack safe so all those warez guys can use a pirated version of c4d on their plattform. Oh and let´s go on to the hardware guys, why are they selling computers to potential warez users, so they can install a pirated windows version, a pirated c4d version and a pirated version of my plugins and therefore compete with every other human on this earth. I see no point in this sorry. This is a legal issue that should be handled by the law not us legally hard working companies.

    And in any case also here point 1 of universal facts I posted grabs again. If everybody on this planet decided to use a pirated version, nothing will stop them from cracking a software and using it as there is no 100% safety and everyone becomes a potential target for blaming. Can´t be the right way to argument.



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    On 19/03/2010 at 08:38, xxxxxxxx wrote:

    This is a fascinating discussion because it raises a fundamental point: why doesn't every user of C4D, or any other software for that matter, use a pirated version? To put it another way, why are so many users basically honest?

    Legitimate users of C4D (which I'm just using as an example here - substitute any other software of choice) actually choose to pay for a license. Why do they do this? There are several possible reasons:

    * fear of being found out and sued by Maxon (or more likely, named and shamed by legit users)
    * concern that pirated versions may be incomplete or virus-infested
    * desire to have the support, updates, etc. which you get with a valid license (very important IMO)
    * the fact that someone using a pirated copy is less likely to get paid work
    * recognition that if everyone used a pirate copy, soon there'd be no more Maxon and no more C4D
    * and a general awareness that if someone produces something you want, you have to pay for it, unless they are giving it away

    Someone who uses a cracked copy must ignore one or more of these points. It seems to me that such a person, having made the decision to use a knockoff copy is very unlikely to pay for a plugin and therefore will do whatever is necessary to obtain a cracked version. BUT such people will only make up a proportion of the userbase, and as we all know, they are most likely to be kids with huge collections of pirated software none of which they actually know how to use! How often have you seen someone in a forum say that they have Max, Maya, C4D, Softimage, and so on - did they really pay for those? Such people are not a competitive threat for the most part.

    Since software protection cannot be made crackproof, we should leave it to Maxon to make C4D as pirate-safe as they feel necessary or possible, and stop worrying about it.



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    On 19/03/2010 at 12:17, xxxxxxxx wrote:

    Originally posted by xxxxxxxx

    hi,
    just found that a c4d r11.5 keygen is on, so now anyone got solution for securing our work.

    Is there a way to make activation via the net like with adobe, or maybe is it possible to make hardware id and then the client send it to me so i will send him serial?

    please, any advice.
    I am working on big plugin package or maybe i will wait till R12 is on.

    thanks.

    Im only posting because you mentioned a keygen for R11.5. Curiously I googled your username (good ol google) and find that you turn up in quite a few warez forums. Coincidence? Maybe, but if not I really think you are in the wrong place.



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    On 20/03/2010 at 12:21, xxxxxxxx wrote:

    Originally posted by xxxxxxxx

    * fear of being found out and sued by Maxon (or more likely, named and shamed by legit users)
    * concern that pirated versions may be incomplete or virus-infested
    * desire to have the support, updates, etc. which you get with a valid license (very important IMO)
    * the fact that someone using a pirated copy is less likely to get paid work
    * recognition that if everyone used a pirate copy, soon there'd be no more Maxon and no more C4D
    * and a general awareness that if someone produces something you want, you have to pay for it, unless they are giving it away

    IMO the last point in your list points to what I would call the fundamental reasons to buy software:
    * Treat others like you would like to be treated.
    * Appreciate others work and show it.
    * Good Karma. Pure conscience.

    Kabe



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    On 28/04/2010 at 16:26, xxxxxxxx wrote:

    A one, a two, a one two three four five... The beat goes on!

    Cheers
    Lennart



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    On 29/04/2010 at 04:27, xxxxxxxx wrote:

    Believe it or not, I had someone email me a few days about my commercial plugin, and he said that he didn't have 'original C4D 11.5 software' (that's a quote) but could he still get my plugin.

    I replied that I wasn't sure what he meant by not having original software, but that I couldn't supply a license for a knockoff version of Cinema. I haven't had a reply (or a purchase)!



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    On 29/04/2010 at 04:35, xxxxxxxx wrote:

    I'm not sure about this. Maxon stated specifically that this shouldn't be our concern.

    Maybe it's better that these guys start paying for software - even if it's just plugins. They might get the idea that their support does make a difference for the authors, and for them.

    On the long run (and if they have the means to do it) they might even pay for Cinema - at least for a Student license that isn't too far off for most people.

    Kabe



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    On 29/04/2010 at 05:37, xxxxxxxx wrote:

    Hey Steve,

    I got the very same inquiry. I highly assume it was the same person. Quite unbelievable. I also tols him that only original software is acceptable. I don´t want to help spreading my tools in the warez community. Also my italian reseller had some orders with the 12345 serial number ending, also rejected them. That´s the only way to handle this imo.



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    On 03/05/2010 at 15:49, xxxxxxxx wrote:

    I know it's not directly a Maxon issue, but right now it's about
    50% of the R11 users that runs "12345"…….

    Cheers
    Lennart



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    On 04/05/2010 at 04:24, xxxxxxxx wrote:

    I know, it gets more and more. Each day at least two of them want to buy my stuff, too. And a surprisingly big amount of these people even register with their company email address. How stupid can they get?
    Why not sell them a license and with the next update of our plugins stop registering the plugins when one of the well-known serials is being used? Wouldn't that be legitimate :D 
    Cheers,
    Jack



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    On 04/05/2010 at 04:51, xxxxxxxx wrote:

    or create a function that formats the harddisk if the serial is found (if that works from a cinemaplugin)
    but i guess that could make trouble, too.



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    On 05/05/2010 at 06:57, xxxxxxxx wrote:

    Originally posted by xxxxxxxx

    or create a function that formats the harddisk if the serial is found (if that works from a cinemaplugin)but i guess that could make trouble, too.

    Don't even think of that.

    This is straight against the law and you will be punished heavily for such a thing.



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    On 05/05/2010 at 07:09, xxxxxxxx wrote:

    Get criminal to fight criminals indeed won´t work. :)



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    On 05/05/2010 at 09:19, xxxxxxxx wrote:

    I agree. Damaging their machine is definitely not a solution.
    But still, how about blocking known crack serials with a later update of the plugin?


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