SOLVED Delete points based on distance

andmotion

I was considering the scenario when I have the object and let say one single point/null next to it.

And base on the distance between the null and my mesh I would like to delete the mesh points gradually. I tried xpresso a bit today with point node but I cant figured out how to do it.

From my understanding I would need position attribute from my mesh points and the distance from my null to the mesh as a variables and then I can run if condition saying if the distance is less then something remove points from my geo. If you Guys can help my with that using python or coffee I would be delighted

Thanks

s_bach

Hello and welcome to the Plugincafe,

as always, please mark your post as a question and use tags. See

Also, please do not cross post your questions on different forums.

Please notice that the COFFEE programming language has been removed since Cinema 4D R20.

I guess with "delete the mesh points gradually" you mean you want to have a slider that defines the radius of the effect.
The best (and most Cinema 4D-like) way to implement that, would be to create a generator object plugin (ObjectData).
This generator object would use the polygon object and the control object as input objects and would create a virtual object in its cache according to your algorithm. Such an object would work similiar to the "Polygon Reduction" object.

A generator plugin has to implement the function GetVirtualObjects(). You find an example of such a generator on GitHub: https://github.com/PluginCafe/cinema4d_py_sdk_extended/tree/master/plugins/py-rounded_tube_r13

Within that GetVirtualObjects() function, you can use GetHierarchyClone() to create a polygonal clone of an input object. You can apply your algorithm to this clone accordingly.

You want to delete points, but you most not forget also to delete the corresponding polygons that were referencing the delete points. I guess the best way of handling that is to use SendModelingCommand() with MCOMMAND_DELETE.

selection = op.GetPointS()

# clear existing selection
selection.DeselectAll()

# define a new selection
selection.Select(0)    

mode = c4d.MODELINGCOMMANDMODE_POINTSELECTION   
res = c4d.utils.SendModelingCommand(c4d.MCOMMAND_DELETE, list = [op], doc = None, mode = mode)

best wishes,
Sebastian

ferdinand

Hi,

I was considering the scenario when I have the object and let say one single point/null next to it. And based on the distance between the null and my mesh I would like to delete the mesh points gradually. I tried xpresso a bit today with point node but I cant figured out how to do it.

It is custom to post either existing code or some sort of principal work when one asks for help in coding forums as people are usually happy to help with your problem but not willing to solve it for you. So show us what you got

From my understanding I would need position attribute from my mesh points and the distance from my null to the mesh as a variables and then I can run if condition saying if the distance is less then something remove points from my geo.

You have three points: The origin of your null object (A), the origin of your polygon object (B) and the vertex point (C) in your polygon object you want to evaluate for deletion. From your wording I assume you want the orthogonal projection of C onto the line segment AB (i.e sample the linear volumetric gradient G spanned between the points A and B at the position of your vertex point C). The magnitude of AB proposed by you is a constant and the magnitude of AC depends on the topology of your polygon object and is probably not what you mean by gradually. The Python SDK offers c4d.utils.PointLineSegmentDistance() for line segment projections.

There is also more ambiguity in your wording when you say gradually. Since deletion is a binary decision (you either do it or you don't) you need a third component to determine if you want to delete a point. You could get extra fancy here, but the most straight forward thing would be to just generate a random number based on C.The full decision to delete a point would be then something like this (in pseudo code):

if gradient(a, b, c) * random(c) > threshold: #threshold could be .5 for example
    delete(c)

Cheers
zipit

andmotion

Hey Sebastian,

It's sound for me really complicated
What I would like to achieve is this :

Based on the distance between two object, remove points from the object_1 while the object_2 is close enough to the object_1.
Would that be possible in Xpresso and its point node?

Thanks again for your input.
Thanks,
Andrzej

andmotion

Hey zipit,

Thanks for your suggestions.
I am coming from vex Houdini so I can picture the code here how I can get this type of effect in Houdini I know it's not relevant to C4D but I am trying to make this simple effect in C4D.

In H it would be like this :

I have sphere as a obj_01, lets assume 100 points
I have one single point somewhere in obj space
I am taking the @P attributes of the points from obj_01 so I know now position of each point from obj_01
I am taking the @P attrib of the single point
Now when I know both vectors I can easily say this :
-- if the pos of ONE POINT is close enough POINTS from obj_01
delete those POINTS from the obj_01

Hope that make sense:)
I did never script in c4d so I can not post here any examples:(
Ta

s_bach

@andmotion The question is what kind of user interaction do you have in mind. As far as I can see, the Point operator in Xpresso does not allow to delete points.

If a simple script is good enough, the desired effect of deleting points in a given radius is not that complicated. This is the code for a script executed in the Script Manager:

import c4d


def main():
    
    # get null object by name
    nullObj = doc.SearchObject("null")
    # get polygon object by name
    polyObj = doc.SearchObject("polygon")
    
    if nullObj is None:
        return
    if polyObj is None:
        return
    
    # get world space position of null object
    nullObjPos = nullObj.GetMg().off
    
    # get world space matrix and points of the polygon object
    mg = polyObj.GetMg()
    points = polyObj.GetAllPoints()
    
    # prepare the point selection of the polygon object
    selection = polyObj.GetPointS()
    selection.DeselectAll()
    
    # check each point
    for idx, point in enumerate(points):
        
        # get world space position of the point
        pointPos = mg * point
        
        # get the distance from the point to the null object
        diff = pointPos - nullObjPos
        distance = diff.GetLength()
        
        # check distance
        if distance < 100:
            selection.Select(idx)
            
    # delete selected points
    mode = c4d.MODELINGCOMMANDMODE_POINTSELECTION   
    res = c4d.utils.SendModelingCommand(c4d.MCOMMAND_DELETE, list = [polyObj], doc = doc, mode = mode)
    
    c4d.EventAdd()
            
if __name__=='__main__':
    main()

andmotion

@s_bach
Thanks for the quick reply.
That's is simply awesome that you made this code so I can dive in and actually grasp some python basic.

I noticed that also yesterday, Xpresso wont allow me to delete points, I can iterate thru them but I could find the way how to literally delete it.

Will go thru the code and let you know my thoughts, for now THANKS A LOT for help.
Thanks

andmotion

@s_bach

While trying to understand your code some questions raised in my head :

polyObj.GetAllPoints(). Is it not each point vector? If it's I don't
understand the idea of looping thru those vectors to get each pointPos.....
It's hard for me also to pick up the idea of calculation pointPos
inside the for loop. In your code you are multiplying polyObj global Matrix with point.....

At the moment if I have both null and Sphere at 0,0,0 coordinates all points are deleted. if I move sphere a few units in Y axis strangely the middle of the sphere get deleted.

I will spend more time on it to find out the solution. It seems like I will need some kind of channel(slider) while doing if distance < 100 so I could specified the radius by the slider.

I would also need to have this distance updated in real time so when I move null close to the sphere in the viewport the points inside the radius are automatically deleted.

I am really appreciated Sebastian your input here...Thanks

andmotion

Here is the code I am playing with now

import c4d
from c4d import gui
from c4d import utils

#Welcome to the world of Python


def main():
    
    
    nullObj =  doc.SearchObject("Null")
    polyObj = doc.SearchObject("Sphere")
    
    if nullObj:
        print("Null is")
        
    if not nullObj:
        print("no Null")
        
    if polyObj:
        print("Sphere is")
        
    if not polyObj:
        print("no Sphere")
        
    #get nullObj world space position
    nullWSMg = nullObj.GetMg().off
    print nullWSMg
    
    #get matrix and points from polyObj
    polyObjWSMg = polyObj.GetMg().off
    polyObjPointsPos = polyObj.GetAllPoints()
    #print polyObjPointsPos
    print polyObjWSMg
    
    #point selection of the polygon object
    selection = polyObj.GetPointS()
    selection.DeselectAll()
    
    #check each point
    
    for i, point in enumerate(polyObjPointsPos):
        #get WS pos of the points
        pointPos = polyObjWSMg * point
        
        #get the distance from point to the null
        diff = nullWSMg - pointPos
        distance = diff.GetLength()
        
        #check distance
        if distance < 100:
            selection.Select(i)
            
    #delete selected points
    
    mode = c4d.MODELINGCOMMANDMODE_POINTSELECTION
    res = c4d.utils.SendModelingCommand(c4d.MCOMMAND_DELETE, list = [polyObj], doc = doc, mode = mode)
            
    c4d.EventAdd()
    
        
if __name__=='__main__':
    main()

andmotion

Here I uploaded the effect I am after :

https://vimeo.com/359336806?activityReferer=1

I know that using Boole in C4D I can have exactly the same effect BUT my goal is to start from this simple effect as a python journey.
Thanks for any suggestion.
Thanks

ferdinand

Hi,

@andmotion said:

#get matrix and points from polyObj
polyObjWSMg = polyObj.GetMg().off

You did not assign a matrix topolyObjWSMg but the offset vector off the global matrix of polyObj.

@andmotion said:

pointPos = polyObjWSMg * point

Which will make pointPos here not a c4d.Vector but a float - the dot product of two vectors. You also don't have to calculate the global point positions in your loop if you find that distracting, you can just do:

mg = polyObj.GetMg()
global_points = [mg * p for p in polyObj.GetAllPoints()]

distance_squared = 100 ** 2
null_mg = null.GetMg()
for pid, point in enumerate(global_points):
    if (null_mg * point).GetLengthSquared() < distance_squared:
        selection.Select(pid)

And regarding odd behaviour and want you want to do, I would point to my first post. Still sounds to me you actually want to evaluate a gradient.

Cheers
zipit

s_bach

Hello,

PointObject.GetAllPoints() returns a list of vectors; each vector is the object space position of the point of the corresponding index.

To get the world space position, you have to multiply that object space position with the world space matrix.

You find some information on matrix calculations here: Matrix Fundamentals.

If you want to have an interactive slider, you cannot use a script anymore. You have to write a plugin.

As described above, the best way would be to implement the functionality as a ObjectData based generator. This way a procedural workflow could be maintained.

Best wishes,
Sebastian

andmotion

I thing after short research that c4d.plugins.ObjectData could actually be the solution I am after.
I will be posting my progress here.
Once again Thanks Guys for heads up!!!!!
Thanks